
“You’re only telling me this because it’s your job.”
— Steve Adams | IBAM
Business as Mission: Why Work, Excellence, and Purpose Matter in God’s Kingdom
Many Christians assume that the primary place for ministry is inside a church building.
But what if one of the most powerful places for ministry is actually the workplace?
In this conversation from the Kingdom Impact Summit, Steve Adams sits down with Michael Baer, widely recognized as a pioneer in the modern Business as Mission movement. Their discussion explores how faith and work intersect—and why business can become a powerful platform for sharing the gospel.
The conversation challenges a common assumption: that business and ministry are separate worlds.
Instead, it reveals a deeper truth:
Work itself can be part of God’s design for mission.
The Unexpected Beginning: A Campus Gathering That Grew Into a Church
Michael Baer’s journey into ministry didn’t begin with a formal church plant.
It started with something much simpler.
While attending the University of Tennessee in the early 1970s, Baer and three other young believers began gathering together to figure out what following Christ actually meant for their daily lives.
They asked a simple question:
“What does a Christian do on Friday night?”
They knew what they used to do before becoming believers. But they weren’t sure what a Christ-centered life looked like yet.
So they did something simple:
They read the Bible
They prayed
They spent time together
What began as a small gathering of four young men eventually grew to more than 160 college students meeting regularly.
Baer explains that they never initially called it a church. But in practice, they were doing many of the things churches do:
Studying Scripture
Praying together
Building community
That experience gave him a deep passion for ministry.
From Missionary Training to Church Planting
After that season in college, Baer attended a missionary training school in Greenville, South Carolina. The program focused heavily on discipleship and studying the Bible.
It was also where he met his wife, Cindy.
After getting married, they went on a short honeymoon and soon after moved to Hilton Head, South Carolina, where they planted a church.
They served there for seven years.
The church experienced encouraging growth and many positive developments. But during that time, Baer began wrestling with a troubling question:
How do we reach people who will never come to church?
A Surprising Reality: Only 2% Were Reached
Hilton Head is often assumed to be part of the “Bible Belt,” where church attendance is expected to be high.
But Baer discovered something surprising.
When he examined the community closely, he realized that even if every person attending any church on the island were counted as a Christian, the total would only represent about 2% of the population.
He had a friend serving as a missionary in Japan who once asked him to pray because only 1.5% of people there were Christian.
Baer initially thought that sounded extremely low.
But after examining Hilton Head more carefully, he realized his own context was very similar.
He wrote back to his friend and said:
“If you’re 1.5%, I’m 2%.”
That realization raised an urgent question:
If most people in the community were not coming to church, how could they be reached?
A Hard Question That Changed Everything
While attempting to share the gospel with people in the community, Baer had a conversation with a businessperson that deeply challenged him.
The man told him something that felt like a “baseball bat to the face.”
He said:
“You’re only telling me this because it’s your job.”
In other words, the man assumed Baer’s spiritual conversations were simply part of his professional role as a pastor.
That moment forced Baer to rethink his entire approach.
He began praying with a specific question:
“Lord, how do we reach these people?”
For nearly a year he continued praying and wrestling with that question.
Eventually, he sensed a clear direction.
“Become One of Them”
After months of prayer, Baer sensed God leading him toward an unexpected step.
He felt called to leave the pastorate and enter the business world.
At first, the idea shocked him.
He didn’t believe he had any particular business skills or marketable abilities. But the sense of calling remained clear.
The reasoning was simple:
To reach people in business, he needed to be one of them.
This decision led him into consulting work, particularly in training and strategic planning. Over the next decade he worked with organizations around the world.
During that time, he discovered something surprising.
Business relationships often opened doors for spiritual conversations.
When People Notice Something Different
Baer explains that when believers live out their faith authentically in the workplace, something interesting happens.
People begin to notice.
He recalls business colleagues approaching him and asking a simple question:
“What’s different about you?”
That question created a natural opportunity to talk about faith.
He would often respond by asking:
“Are you sure you want to know?”
Those moments opened doors for conversations that likely would never have occurred in a church setting.
Excellence in Business as a Witness
One of the key themes in the conversation is the importance of excellence.
Steve Adams describes interviewing a business leader who built a billion-dollar company and asking him about the way he treated employees, suppliers, and partners.
The consistent theme was excellence.
Baer connects this concept to a biblical example found in the book of Daniel.
In Daniel chapter 6, Daniel rose to a position of leadership in the empire. His opponents wanted to discredit him.
But they encountered a problem.
They couldn’t find anything wrong with the way he did his work.
Baer explains that this moment reveals something important:
Daniel had excellent character
Daniel produced excellent work
Even his enemies could not accuse him of wrongdoing in his leadership.
This principle carries powerful implications for business.
When believers pursue excellence in their work, it creates credibility and influence.
People notice integrity and quality.
And sometimes, they want to know where it comes from.
Excellence vs. Perfection
Baer makes an important distinction between two concepts that are often confused:
Perfection and excellence.
Perfection suggests a flawless end state.
Excellence, however, is something different.
He describes excellence as a journey or process rather than a final destination.
The goal is not flawless performance.
Instead, excellence represents a continuous pursuit of improvement and integrity.
Baer references a well-known phrase from an automobile advertisement:
“The relentless pursuit of excellence.”
He notes that this phrase actually reflects a deeply biblical idea.
The pursuit itself is what matters.
Avoda: Work, Worship, and Service
During the conversation, Baer introduces a Hebrew word that captures the connection between faith and work.
The word is Avoda.
It carries three meanings simultaneously:
Work
Worship
Service to humanity
The significance of this word is that it doesn’t represent three separate activities.
Instead, it describes one unified reality.
When someone works faithfully, they can simultaneously be:
Serving others
Worshiping God
Baer explains that when people begin to view their work this way, it transforms how they approach everyday tasks.
Work becomes more than a job.
It becomes an expression of purpose.
Work Is Not a Result of the Fall
Another key theme in the conversation is the idea that work itself is good.
Some people assume work is a curse resulting from sin.
But Baer points out something important.
Work existed before the fall.
In the early chapters of Genesis, Adam and Eve were placed in the garden with the responsibility to work and cultivate it.
Work was part of God’s design for humanity from the beginning.
That means work is not merely a survival mechanism.
It is part of how human beings participate in the world.

Why Purpose Matters More Than Retirement
The conversation also explores the modern concept of retirement.
Baer explains that he does not believe in the idea of permanently stopping work.
He does believe in different seasons of life and changing roles. But he believes meaningful work remains important throughout life.
He recalls observing a pattern in Hilton Head, a popular retirement community.
Many high-achieving leaders moved there after retiring.
Some had been corporate executives or military leaders.
Yet many of them passed away relatively soon after retiring.
Baer suggests that one reason may be the sudden loss of purpose.
When people no longer feel they are contributing in a meaningful way, something important is lost.
Purpose and work appear to be deeply connected to human flourishing.
The Marketplace as a Mission Field
The conversation ultimately returns to a powerful conclusion:
The marketplace can be a powerful place for ministry.
Many people who would never attend church still interact daily with:
coworkers
employers
business partners
customers
When believers live out their faith with integrity and excellence in those environments, it can open doors for meaningful conversations.
Business relationships can become places where faith is expressed naturally.
And in many cases, those conversations happen in ways that feel far more authentic than formal preaching.
A Different Way to Think About Calling
For many Christians, calling has traditionally been associated with church leadership roles.
But Baer suggests a broader perspective.
If God places someone in business, that placement is not a mistake.
It may be a strategic opportunity.
The workplace can become a place where faith is lived out through:
character
integrity
excellence
relationships
And in those everyday moments, the gospel can become visible.
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Transcript Evidence
All ideas, examples, and themes in this article come directly from statements in the transcript, including:
Michael Baer’s story of starting a gathering of believers at the University of Tennessee that grew to over 160 students.
His experience planting a church in Hilton Head and discovering only about 2% of the population attended church.
His decision to leave the pastorate and enter business after sensing God calling him to “become one of them.”
The observation that people in business would ask, “What’s different about you?” creating opportunities for gospel conversations.
The discussion of Daniel’s excellence in leadership and the inability of his enemies to find fault with his work.
The explanation of the Hebrew word Avoda, meaning work, worship, and service simultaneously.
The discussion that work existed before the fall and is part of God’s design for humanity.
The reflections on retirement, purpose, and the importance of meaningful work throughout life.
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